Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Open Letter to Oshkosh Mayor William Castle:
As I watched the Common Council meeting this evening I was dismayed to see your treatment of citizens – your employers – when their five-minutes was up.
I understand as well as anyone that time limits must be maintained, however, some of these people have rarely, if ever, come before the council previously. And simply because their five minutes had expired is no reason for you to deal with them so coldly, callously and unfeeling. Why is it you cannot simply tell them that their five minutes is about up and ask if they can please wrap things up or if they need an additional minute or two to do so? Previous mayors did that and there were no abuses of those rare time extensions. However, by doing this you could still preserve the right to end a citizen’s statement immediately at the end of the five minutes in those rare cases where someone habitually abuses the privilege.
I think a slight change in your approach to citizens would go along way in making you seem more personable, friendly and caring to the people you were elected to serve. We citizens, after all, as I said earlier, are your employers. You serve at our leisure and this is our government. It would also make the city council as a whole seem more citizen-friendly.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Cheryl Hentz
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Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 06:51 PM MDT
That is a good request. But Mayor Castle also has a problem remembering to turn people's microphones on. Like tonight for example when the city attorney was talking he never turned her light on when she answered a question for Paul Esslinger. He needs to remember to do this so the people at home can hear what is taking place and being said.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 09:28 PM MDT
I am watching the rerun of the meeting as we speak. Did Ken Bender really get up and call some people "self righteous assholes?" He should be charged with disorderly conduct. Ken--a personal message to you: if you can't control yourself, stay home.
It's people like Ken Bender who have tightened the screws to the point they are. And I don't have a problem with it. True, some people probably should be given a little extra time to make their points. But the few idiots who get up week after week and rant as they do have caused the problems that exist. Mr Castle wasn't at all inappropriate. He just has to make sure he doesn't show favoritism to the people who don't make fools of themselves.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 10:15 PM MDT
Hint: It's precisely because he can't control himself that he goes to council meetings!
I thought exactly the same thing. He should be charged with disorderly conduct. Hey, like it or not it is prime time television, and no other network could get away with it.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 08:01 AM MDT
I agree that some people are out of control. But I think the point Mrs. Hentz was making is about some of these either people. There was a woman for example who Castle just cut off and told her that her time was up. He did that with a gentleman too who has some serious concerns about his street. Castle could and should be a gentler, kinder mayor, especially in cases like these. And I agree with the other person that he needs to be more cognizant about turning the microphones on. He had that problem when he was mayor the first time eyars ago and he still fails to remember it now. He has to take the audience into account. Just because he can hear these other city officials speaking because they're all sitting up front does not mean everyone else can. The mcrophones are there for a reason and if he can't always remember maybe Frank Tower can help him.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 30 2005 @ 07:16 AM MDT
I agree Castle needs a more kinder and gentler approach. In the case of the man with the poor street, the man was repeating himself for probably the last 2 minutes. We got the point, the street is of poor quality and he does not want to pay for it. He would like the council to come out and look at it. NEXT!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 08:01 AM MDT
NO WAY. We need a new policy of enforcement based on NO double standards. We have rules, they were voted on by the council, they are there to be enforced. I for one am glad that Mayor Castle is enforcing the rules without regard for what the speaker is saying. This sends a message that this behavior will not be tolerated, whether you are Abraham Lincoln or Ken Bender. As long as he cuts everyone off at their limit, I applaud his actions, regardless of how "citizen friendly" his enforcement of those rules are.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:01 AM MDT
Anyone who knows Castle knows there is no "kinder gentler" in the man. We are talking about someone who is not the brightest bulb on the tree here. He was voted in on the "good ol boy" ticket, so I am not sure why anybody would expect any less from this man.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:41 AM MDT
Geez. You people and that "good 'ol boy" phrase. Come up with a new term for rich, white and educated, please.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:58 AM MDT
Good old Oshkosh class warfare. Us vs them, rich vs poor, northside vs southside, as long as this city remains divided we will never get anything done.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: admin on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 12:03 PM MDT
There are always rules in society, just as there are laws. But as the saying goes, there are exceptions to every rule. And what behavior are you talinig about? The couple people I was referring to when I wrote my open letter were not being disrespectful nor rude. They were making legitimate points about things of concern to them. If you think the way Bill Castle is conducting things is so wonderful, why did we not hear you complaining when previous mayors allowed a little extra time when needed? The fact that you seem to have some problems with certain people who get up at every council meeting and complain seems to be overshadowing your common-sense when it comes to the majority of citizens who do not abuse the rules or privilege of speaking at council meetings.
And when it comes to being citizen friendly, you seem to have forgotten, like so many others, that the citizens and taxpayers are the employers and bosses here; not the other way around.
Cheryl Hentz
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 01:52 PM MDT
But the bosses/citizens should not be allowed to be disrrespectful, obnoxious, or rude. Five minutes is more than enough time to make a point. Make your point and sit down.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:11 PM MDT
"There are exceptions to every rule."
But you're forgetting the saying, "One bad apple spoils the bunch." And since there are a couple of bad apples, the rules have been strict, and appropriately enforced. You know for sure if any inch is given, it's the bad apples who are going to scream for their fair share before anyone else will.
Gordon Doule has asked for the extra minute time and time again, only to be refused each time. So when the next John Q Public stands up there, the rules need to be the same for him.
I think instead of a clock, there should be a count down timer at the pulpit. And when your five minutes are up, the mic just shuts off on it's own. Then the only person the speaker could be mad at is himself, and the rules would be fair across the board.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: admin on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:24 PM MDT
Again, there are exceptions to every rule. Anyone in the past has been given a little extra time if they needed it. Moreover, your argument that a point cannot be made in five minutes is not necessarily the case - especially when others ask you questions and so forth. Additionally some issues are more complex than others. These are reasons why others have been given additional time in the past. Instead of the attitude that one bad apple spoils the bunch why don't you try being a little more proactive and thinking in terms of this: people who are respectful and need a little extra time get it, while those who are swearing, name-calling, shouting, etc. have that "perk" taken away from them. Hence the Gordon Doule example.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:31 PM MDT
There are always exeptions to the rule. I agree we should bend some in certain situations. But Ken B. and Gordon D. have abused the policy and need to be held to a strict 5 minutes. Very seldom is there a need to speak more than 5 minutes at the end of meeting citizens statements. When speaking during the meeting on a particular new agenda item I can see the need to go over at times.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:36 PM MDT
Then how do you justify the extra time given to some, and not others (questions from councilors aside)? That is favoritism.
If no one from city staff has questions for the preacher, five and done! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. (The cliches are getting out of hand!)
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:51 PM MDT
It's not showing favoritism at all. Some people have abused it and can not conduct themselves approrpiately. Why not look at past meetings and see how things have been conducted. No one ever complained before s why should this be a problem now to extend a little extra time when appropriate and needed? Stop being such a hardliner!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 03:48 PM MDT
I am a hardliner! Why have rules if you're going to allow someone to break them? And that's not favoritism? Who decides who gets the extra time and who doesn't? Just because you like what someone has to say, or doesn't have to say, that determines who gets extra time? That's what you're proposing.
Again, I say the answer to all of this is a count down timer at the pulpit. When your time is up, sit down! You know what the expectations are: five minutes. Questions about a certain topic from councilors extend that indefinitely. But when there aren't any questions, and your five is up, SIT DOWN! I don't care who you are.
If your topic is so important, call the councilors individually and have it put on the agenda. If not, then you get 5 minutes. 300 seconds. Set your watch. Practice your oration skills. Speak your peace (in 5 minutes!) and SIT DOWN!
Just because you're a tax paying citizen of Oshkosh does not give you free reign to speak ad nauseum to the councilors at the bully pulpit.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 04:02 PM MDT
Ah yes, where to begin trying to deal with those who see nothing but black and white?
Rules set the standard but there are exceptions, as we;ve been hearing. Take for example a court of law. Judges decide in many cases which charges stick and which charges don't. Yes, you are a hardliner! Who decides who gets extra time, you say? The exact same way it has been done in the past: the mayor and a majority of the council. There is no reason to rule thing with an iron fist and with such rigidity that people are afraid to approach the podium. Most are already intimidated enough.
Oh and before you start thinking you know everything, please chew on this. Even with agenda items, citizens are only given five minutes. So your little idea fails because it doesn't apply.
Giving someone a little extra time to finish their presentation to the council is not allowing them to speak ad nauseum. Just because something is not relative to you does not mean it is not important.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 04:44 PM MDT
Citizens can speak as much as they want about any topic to any councilor. It's called a telephone. Pick it up and share your concerns with the councilor. Black and white!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 30 2005 @ 07:50 AM MDT
Sounds like your opinion is to do away with citizen statements altogether then. We got it. Not acceptable. Next!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:07 AM MDT
It's so typical for people in this forum to put words in others' mouths. You did it again.
All I am saying is stick to the five minute rule. Stop trying to read more into a post than what is there. I am black and white, remember?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:35 AM MDT
Nope, just going by what you said. That's why I said it "sounds like." Understand now?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:54 AM MDT
No, it "sounds like" the previous poster just wants the written rules to be enforced without a double standard. Nothing was mentioned even remotely resembling an opinion on citizen statements. The point was simply being made that if you desire to have an in depth conversation with a council member regarding a topic that you think you might not be able to summarize into 5 minutes, give them a call. Thats why their phone numbers are in the Northwestern, and they are usually pretty accessible.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:15 AM MDT
But this entire discussion stemmed from the subject citizen statements. So if you are not going to address citizen statements specifically, don't make comments. You people always change your stories when you get caught in something. Then you end up twisting things and not knowing exactly what you're talking about so you try changing the subject. Your spin never ceases to amaze me. Anything to debate the issues with someone, right?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 12:25 PM MDT
No one changed their story one bit. Go back and read the comments. They have been consistent the whole way through. Nice try tho.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 03:39 PM MDT
You have strayed from the point.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 11:40 AM MDT
You keep telling me I have strayed from the point. I have not at all. But since you're so convinced of it, describe for us all, please, how that has occurred.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 11:58 AM MDT
People can read and decide for themselves. They will see exactly what I do. You just want it explained so you can then try explaining how you have not strayed. Bottom line: You just get off on challenging people so you can continue a debate. Typical!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 02:19 PM MDT
The issue was being nice to people, and offering people a little extra time if they run past their 5 minutes. And my argument all along has been 5 and done. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Now that I have explained how my stance has not changed, start explaining yourself.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 03:21 PM MDT
Your 5 minutes are up and you are done!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 05:05 PM MDT
Exactly!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 05:21 PM MDT
Actually we were refering to YOUR 5 minutes being done Mr. Anonymous. Surely you have spent more than 5 minutes trying to convince us of how right you are. So your 5 minutes are up and you need to be quiet now. Hopefully your "microphone" will be turned off if you post any more on this subject.
As I watched the Common Council meeting this evening I was dismayed to see your treatment of citizens – your employers – when their five-minutes was up.
I understand as well as anyone that time limits must be maintained, however, some of these people have rarely, if ever, come before the council previously. And simply because their five minutes had expired is no reason for you to deal with them so coldly, callously and unfeeling. Why is it you cannot simply tell them that their five minutes is about up and ask if they can please wrap things up or if they need an additional minute or two to do so? Previous mayors did that and there were no abuses of those rare time extensions. However, by doing this you could still preserve the right to end a citizen’s statement immediately at the end of the five minutes in those rare cases where someone habitually abuses the privilege.
I think a slight change in your approach to citizens would go along way in making you seem more personable, friendly and caring to the people you were elected to serve. We citizens, after all, as I said earlier, are your employers. You serve at our leisure and this is our government. It would also make the city council as a whole seem more citizen-friendly.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Cheryl Hentz
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 06:51 PM MDT
That is a good request. But Mayor Castle also has a problem remembering to turn people's microphones on. Like tonight for example when the city attorney was talking he never turned her light on when she answered a question for Paul Esslinger. He needs to remember to do this so the people at home can hear what is taking place and being said.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 09:28 PM MDT
I am watching the rerun of the meeting as we speak. Did Ken Bender really get up and call some people "self righteous assholes?" He should be charged with disorderly conduct. Ken--a personal message to you: if you can't control yourself, stay home.
It's people like Ken Bender who have tightened the screws to the point they are. And I don't have a problem with it. True, some people probably should be given a little extra time to make their points. But the few idiots who get up week after week and rant as they do have caused the problems that exist. Mr Castle wasn't at all inappropriate. He just has to make sure he doesn't show favoritism to the people who don't make fools of themselves.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28 2005 @ 10:15 PM MDT
Hint: It's precisely because he can't control himself that he goes to council meetings!
I thought exactly the same thing. He should be charged with disorderly conduct. Hey, like it or not it is prime time television, and no other network could get away with it.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 08:01 AM MDT
I agree that some people are out of control. But I think the point Mrs. Hentz was making is about some of these either people. There was a woman for example who Castle just cut off and told her that her time was up. He did that with a gentleman too who has some serious concerns about his street. Castle could and should be a gentler, kinder mayor, especially in cases like these. And I agree with the other person that he needs to be more cognizant about turning the microphones on. He had that problem when he was mayor the first time eyars ago and he still fails to remember it now. He has to take the audience into account. Just because he can hear these other city officials speaking because they're all sitting up front does not mean everyone else can. The mcrophones are there for a reason and if he can't always remember maybe Frank Tower can help him.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 30 2005 @ 07:16 AM MDT
I agree Castle needs a more kinder and gentler approach. In the case of the man with the poor street, the man was repeating himself for probably the last 2 minutes. We got the point, the street is of poor quality and he does not want to pay for it. He would like the council to come out and look at it. NEXT!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 08:01 AM MDT
NO WAY. We need a new policy of enforcement based on NO double standards. We have rules, they were voted on by the council, they are there to be enforced. I for one am glad that Mayor Castle is enforcing the rules without regard for what the speaker is saying. This sends a message that this behavior will not be tolerated, whether you are Abraham Lincoln or Ken Bender. As long as he cuts everyone off at their limit, I applaud his actions, regardless of how "citizen friendly" his enforcement of those rules are.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:01 AM MDT
Anyone who knows Castle knows there is no "kinder gentler" in the man. We are talking about someone who is not the brightest bulb on the tree here. He was voted in on the "good ol boy" ticket, so I am not sure why anybody would expect any less from this man.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:41 AM MDT
Geez. You people and that "good 'ol boy" phrase. Come up with a new term for rich, white and educated, please.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 09:58 AM MDT
Good old Oshkosh class warfare. Us vs them, rich vs poor, northside vs southside, as long as this city remains divided we will never get anything done.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: admin on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 12:03 PM MDT
There are always rules in society, just as there are laws. But as the saying goes, there are exceptions to every rule. And what behavior are you talinig about? The couple people I was referring to when I wrote my open letter were not being disrespectful nor rude. They were making legitimate points about things of concern to them. If you think the way Bill Castle is conducting things is so wonderful, why did we not hear you complaining when previous mayors allowed a little extra time when needed? The fact that you seem to have some problems with certain people who get up at every council meeting and complain seems to be overshadowing your common-sense when it comes to the majority of citizens who do not abuse the rules or privilege of speaking at council meetings.
And when it comes to being citizen friendly, you seem to have forgotten, like so many others, that the citizens and taxpayers are the employers and bosses here; not the other way around.
Cheryl Hentz
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 01:52 PM MDT
But the bosses/citizens should not be allowed to be disrrespectful, obnoxious, or rude. Five minutes is more than enough time to make a point. Make your point and sit down.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:11 PM MDT
"There are exceptions to every rule."
But you're forgetting the saying, "One bad apple spoils the bunch." And since there are a couple of bad apples, the rules have been strict, and appropriately enforced. You know for sure if any inch is given, it's the bad apples who are going to scream for their fair share before anyone else will.
Gordon Doule has asked for the extra minute time and time again, only to be refused each time. So when the next John Q Public stands up there, the rules need to be the same for him.
I think instead of a clock, there should be a count down timer at the pulpit. And when your five minutes are up, the mic just shuts off on it's own. Then the only person the speaker could be mad at is himself, and the rules would be fair across the board.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: admin on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:24 PM MDT
Again, there are exceptions to every rule. Anyone in the past has been given a little extra time if they needed it. Moreover, your argument that a point cannot be made in five minutes is not necessarily the case - especially when others ask you questions and so forth. Additionally some issues are more complex than others. These are reasons why others have been given additional time in the past. Instead of the attitude that one bad apple spoils the bunch why don't you try being a little more proactive and thinking in terms of this: people who are respectful and need a little extra time get it, while those who are swearing, name-calling, shouting, etc. have that "perk" taken away from them. Hence the Gordon Doule example.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:31 PM MDT
There are always exeptions to the rule. I agree we should bend some in certain situations. But Ken B. and Gordon D. have abused the policy and need to be held to a strict 5 minutes. Very seldom is there a need to speak more than 5 minutes at the end of meeting citizens statements. When speaking during the meeting on a particular new agenda item I can see the need to go over at times.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:36 PM MDT
Then how do you justify the extra time given to some, and not others (questions from councilors aside)? That is favoritism.
If no one from city staff has questions for the preacher, five and done! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. (The cliches are getting out of hand!)
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 02:51 PM MDT
It's not showing favoritism at all. Some people have abused it and can not conduct themselves approrpiately. Why not look at past meetings and see how things have been conducted. No one ever complained before s why should this be a problem now to extend a little extra time when appropriate and needed? Stop being such a hardliner!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 03:48 PM MDT
I am a hardliner! Why have rules if you're going to allow someone to break them? And that's not favoritism? Who decides who gets the extra time and who doesn't? Just because you like what someone has to say, or doesn't have to say, that determines who gets extra time? That's what you're proposing.
Again, I say the answer to all of this is a count down timer at the pulpit. When your time is up, sit down! You know what the expectations are: five minutes. Questions about a certain topic from councilors extend that indefinitely. But when there aren't any questions, and your five is up, SIT DOWN! I don't care who you are.
If your topic is so important, call the councilors individually and have it put on the agenda. If not, then you get 5 minutes. 300 seconds. Set your watch. Practice your oration skills. Speak your peace (in 5 minutes!) and SIT DOWN!
Just because you're a tax paying citizen of Oshkosh does not give you free reign to speak ad nauseum to the councilors at the bully pulpit.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 04:02 PM MDT
Ah yes, where to begin trying to deal with those who see nothing but black and white?
Rules set the standard but there are exceptions, as we;ve been hearing. Take for example a court of law. Judges decide in many cases which charges stick and which charges don't. Yes, you are a hardliner! Who decides who gets extra time, you say? The exact same way it has been done in the past: the mayor and a majority of the council. There is no reason to rule thing with an iron fist and with such rigidity that people are afraid to approach the podium. Most are already intimidated enough.
Oh and before you start thinking you know everything, please chew on this. Even with agenda items, citizens are only given five minutes. So your little idea fails because it doesn't apply.
Giving someone a little extra time to finish their presentation to the council is not allowing them to speak ad nauseum. Just because something is not relative to you does not mean it is not important.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29 2005 @ 04:44 PM MDT
Citizens can speak as much as they want about any topic to any councilor. It's called a telephone. Pick it up and share your concerns with the councilor. Black and white!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 30 2005 @ 07:50 AM MDT
Sounds like your opinion is to do away with citizen statements altogether then. We got it. Not acceptable. Next!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:07 AM MDT
It's so typical for people in this forum to put words in others' mouths. You did it again.
All I am saying is stick to the five minute rule. Stop trying to read more into a post than what is there. I am black and white, remember?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:35 AM MDT
Nope, just going by what you said. That's why I said it "sounds like." Understand now?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:54 AM MDT
No, it "sounds like" the previous poster just wants the written rules to be enforced without a double standard. Nothing was mentioned even remotely resembling an opinion on citizen statements. The point was simply being made that if you desire to have an in depth conversation with a council member regarding a topic that you think you might not be able to summarize into 5 minutes, give them a call. Thats why their phone numbers are in the Northwestern, and they are usually pretty accessible.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:15 AM MDT
But this entire discussion stemmed from the subject citizen statements. So if you are not going to address citizen statements specifically, don't make comments. You people always change your stories when you get caught in something. Then you end up twisting things and not knowing exactly what you're talking about so you try changing the subject. Your spin never ceases to amaze me. Anything to debate the issues with someone, right?
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 12:25 PM MDT
No one changed their story one bit. Go back and read the comments. They have been consistent the whole way through. Nice try tho.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 03:39 PM MDT
You have strayed from the point.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 11:40 AM MDT
You keep telling me I have strayed from the point. I have not at all. But since you're so convinced of it, describe for us all, please, how that has occurred.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 11:58 AM MDT
People can read and decide for themselves. They will see exactly what I do. You just want it explained so you can then try explaining how you have not strayed. Bottom line: You just get off on challenging people so you can continue a debate. Typical!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 02:19 PM MDT
The issue was being nice to people, and offering people a little extra time if they run past their 5 minutes. And my argument all along has been 5 and done. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Now that I have explained how my stance has not changed, start explaining yourself.
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 03:21 PM MDT
Your 5 minutes are up and you are done!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 05:05 PM MDT
Exactly!
Open letter to Mayor William Castle
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 02 2005 @ 05:21 PM MDT
Actually we were refering to YOUR 5 minutes being done Mr. Anonymous. Surely you have spent more than 5 minutes trying to convince us of how right you are. So your 5 minutes are up and you need to be quiet now. Hopefully your "microphone" will be turned off if you post any more on this subject.
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