Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Contributed by: Jim B.
I finally got a chance to see the debates this weekend! I am totally flabbergasted at the comments made by almost every council candidate about the city of Oshkosh having too many parks! To be fair, some said there are enough and we do not need anymore, and a couple said the West side needed more, but the overall feeling was we just have too many. Because of lack of better candidates I was comtemplating voting for Kent Monte, but after hearing him say when he drives around town he sees parks that are empty so why have them, he just lost my vote. Or how these properties could be on the tax roll.
Am I living in some parallel world form these people? Most communities do everything they can to expand or maintain as much greenspace as possible. Most bigger cities don't have the luxury that we have to have choices for more greenspace.
I realize the almighty dollar is of utmost importance, but c'mon.
Jim B.
Changing my vote as we speak!
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Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:16 PM MDT
Jimbo you are absolutely correct. I am surprised it took this one comment though to change your mind about Monte. There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him, but all it takes is one. If he runs true to form though he'll come on here explaining himself and trying to win your vote back.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Jim B. on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:21 PM MDT
Part of my point was the pickings are slim on the city council ballot this year! It is sad when you vote for somebody more as a no vote for somebody else.
Jim B.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:29 PM MDT
That is sad to be sure. But at this stage of the game I'd rather vote for Madison to keep McHugh, Esslinger, or Monte out. For me it comes down to what is the lesser of two evils.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:43 PM MDT
Hey Mr. B, I wish you could make up you mind about Paul Esslinger.
I remember a while ago you had a post suggesting he should run for the 54th assembly district, yet you bash him every chance you get.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: admin on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:59 PM MDT
The above post (from an anonymous poster at 3:43 p.m. MDT) was edited to remove potentially libelous remarks. Stick to the issues and don't make personal attacks about a poster's character.
- Cheryl
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:38 PM MDT
Cheryl, I'm watching Eye on Oshkosh. Why in God's name did you give so much air time to Paul, especially since you hate him so much. Any advertising is good advertising. You might as well have said "Vote for Paul Esslinger." Clearly you were very disappointed that Paul called Tony and not you, but did you have act like a baby about it? Try to maintain some control or you end up looking like the crybaby. I know that is not your intent, but come on. This is just getting stupid.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:58 PM MDT
Good grief, Cheryl can't please you people no matter what she does. Paul asked for questions from people and she suggested questions they might want to ask. It wasn't being a crybaby, but even if it was, I suppose it's better to be a crybaby than someone pathetically pandering for votes like Esslinger did. She gave about as much time to the questions as it took to read his statement. One thign it wasn't though was the slandering session her detractors have made it out to be. Now I guess we see who the real liars are. They're some of the people who support Paul Esslinger.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:05 PM MDT
Keep in mind, none of the questions Cheryl listed were meant for any other candidates while all the other questions were pretty general for all candidates.
When you bash some who appeared to support Paul and didn't take the time to get the other side, you need to know the "other side" had already made clear she would not welcome contact from some. And others who would have wanted both sides were guilty by association. Really big of the "other side" don't you think?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:14 PM MDT
If you saw all the interviews like I did you would know that there were general questions but also specific questions for people, especially incumbents. It would have been no different for Paul Esslinger, nor should it have been. He shouldn't get any free passes.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:39 PM MDT
And how does this have anything to do with the question of too many parks??????? Stay on topic or start a new one!
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 05:59 PM MDT
Monte also said that the current parks were being mismanaged which was probably why they are empty. Either do something like plant trees or put up equipment or build on the darn thing. We have one park off Jackson with nothing but chainlink in the darn middle of it? At least plant some darn trees.
Monte still has my vote, it is better than Esslinger or Madison who can't decided what he is or where he is.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:45 PM MDT
Kent, I had your name circled on the Northwestern's printed ballot as one to vote for but now I have crossed your name out. I like the parks in Oshkosh and do not want them put on the tax roll. Hold on . . . My wife agrees with me on this one (how did that happen!) so you lost two votes.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 07:23 AM MDT
He also said they need to be managed better. Either build them up with trees and playground equipment, groom some soccer fields or get some money out of them.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 04:26 PM MDT
Here are a couple of Kent Monte’s comments on his blog site.
“Evaluate the City Manager: What are his goals? Is he meeting them? We don't have access to the meetings when they are discussed.”
This information was provided to the public in the Oshkosh Northwestern. It could be Mr. Monte didn’t know what the goals were or have a clue about the most recent discussions concerning those goals because his good friend Paul Esslinger skipped that meeting because he had a date with the cribbage board that Saturday.
“Near East: We shouldn't be buying property before we try to fix some of the properties up. We shouldn't be fixing somebody elses problems.
rebuttal to Madison: The relocated renters are in property owned by an investment firm.”
Mr. Monte is apparently completely unaware that the properties being purchased by the city and razed are past the point where they can be rehabbed. Grant monies will be used to help other owners fix up their properties. I don’t know what part of this plan he doesn’t understand but if he spent more time listening instead of deciding how to frame his answer speaking out against something he might get further ahead. Mr. Monte has been against practically everything the current council has voted for. He has been riding Paul Esslinger’s coattails from the start of this campaign and it appears he’ll finish it the same way. We don’t need another naysayer on this council. Being opposed to something is not always bad, but always being opposed to things just to be a maverick is never good.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 05:56 PM MDT
Monte said in several forums that the grant money should be given to residential owners to fix up their property not given to investment firms/slumlords to bail them out because they didn't want to fix up the property. Apparently you think we should pay tenant rent differential for 48 months. You want to write a check for my rent while your at it?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:00 PM MDT
Despite Mr. Monte's misinformed remarks on this topic, these are not slumlords who own these properties. It is clear from his remarks and yours that neither of you understands the program or what Community Development Block Grants monies are all about. One more reason he should not be on the council. You don't make sweeping statements about things you don't fully understand. He must not understand that either.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:34 PM MDT
I suggest you look at the city assesor's website for the owner information of those properties. Some of them are owned by invetment firms, NOT individuals. BTW the last city council meeting someone mentioned that the grant money is gone. So what fixing up are you going to propose with no money genious?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:34 PM MDT
Ask Susan Kepplinger. She has all the answers to your questions. They do have a plan and even Paul Esslinger approved it.
I finally got a chance to see the debates this weekend! I am totally flabbergasted at the comments made by almost every council candidate about the city of Oshkosh having too many parks! To be fair, some said there are enough and we do not need anymore, and a couple said the West side needed more, but the overall feeling was we just have too many. Because of lack of better candidates I was comtemplating voting for Kent Monte, but after hearing him say when he drives around town he sees parks that are empty so why have them, he just lost my vote. Or how these properties could be on the tax roll.
Am I living in some parallel world form these people? Most communities do everything they can to expand or maintain as much greenspace as possible. Most bigger cities don't have the luxury that we have to have choices for more greenspace.
I realize the almighty dollar is of utmost importance, but c'mon.
Jim B.
Changing my vote as we speak!
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:16 PM MDT
Jimbo you are absolutely correct. I am surprised it took this one comment though to change your mind about Monte. There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him, but all it takes is one. If he runs true to form though he'll come on here explaining himself and trying to win your vote back.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Jim B. on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:21 PM MDT
Part of my point was the pickings are slim on the city council ballot this year! It is sad when you vote for somebody more as a no vote for somebody else.
Jim B.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:29 PM MDT
That is sad to be sure. But at this stage of the game I'd rather vote for Madison to keep McHugh, Esslinger, or Monte out. For me it comes down to what is the lesser of two evils.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:43 PM MDT
Hey Mr. B, I wish you could make up you mind about Paul Esslinger.
I remember a while ago you had a post suggesting he should run for the 54th assembly district, yet you bash him every chance you get.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: admin on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 03:59 PM MDT
The above post (from an anonymous poster at 3:43 p.m. MDT) was edited to remove potentially libelous remarks. Stick to the issues and don't make personal attacks about a poster's character.
- Cheryl
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:38 PM MDT
Cheryl, I'm watching Eye on Oshkosh. Why in God's name did you give so much air time to Paul, especially since you hate him so much. Any advertising is good advertising. You might as well have said "Vote for Paul Esslinger." Clearly you were very disappointed that Paul called Tony and not you, but did you have act like a baby about it? Try to maintain some control or you end up looking like the crybaby. I know that is not your intent, but come on. This is just getting stupid.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:58 PM MDT
Good grief, Cheryl can't please you people no matter what she does. Paul asked for questions from people and she suggested questions they might want to ask. It wasn't being a crybaby, but even if it was, I suppose it's better to be a crybaby than someone pathetically pandering for votes like Esslinger did. She gave about as much time to the questions as it took to read his statement. One thign it wasn't though was the slandering session her detractors have made it out to be. Now I guess we see who the real liars are. They're some of the people who support Paul Esslinger.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:05 PM MDT
Keep in mind, none of the questions Cheryl listed were meant for any other candidates while all the other questions were pretty general for all candidates.
When you bash some who appeared to support Paul and didn't take the time to get the other side, you need to know the "other side" had already made clear she would not welcome contact from some. And others who would have wanted both sides were guilty by association. Really big of the "other side" don't you think?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:14 PM MDT
If you saw all the interviews like I did you would know that there were general questions but also specific questions for people, especially incumbents. It would have been no different for Paul Esslinger, nor should it have been. He shouldn't get any free passes.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:39 PM MDT
And how does this have anything to do with the question of too many parks??????? Stay on topic or start a new one!
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 05:59 PM MDT
Monte also said that the current parks were being mismanaged which was probably why they are empty. Either do something like plant trees or put up equipment or build on the darn thing. We have one park off Jackson with nothing but chainlink in the darn middle of it? At least plant some darn trees.
Monte still has my vote, it is better than Esslinger or Madison who can't decided what he is or where he is.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:45 PM MDT
Kent, I had your name circled on the Northwestern's printed ballot as one to vote for but now I have crossed your name out. I like the parks in Oshkosh and do not want them put on the tax roll. Hold on . . . My wife agrees with me on this one (how did that happen!) so you lost two votes.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 07:23 AM MDT
He also said they need to be managed better. Either build them up with trees and playground equipment, groom some soccer fields or get some money out of them.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 04:26 PM MDT
Here are a couple of Kent Monte’s comments on his blog site.
“Evaluate the City Manager: What are his goals? Is he meeting them? We don't have access to the meetings when they are discussed.”
This information was provided to the public in the Oshkosh Northwestern. It could be Mr. Monte didn’t know what the goals were or have a clue about the most recent discussions concerning those goals because his good friend Paul Esslinger skipped that meeting because he had a date with the cribbage board that Saturday.
“Near East: We shouldn't be buying property before we try to fix some of the properties up. We shouldn't be fixing somebody elses problems.
rebuttal to Madison: The relocated renters are in property owned by an investment firm.”
Mr. Monte is apparently completely unaware that the properties being purchased by the city and razed are past the point where they can be rehabbed. Grant monies will be used to help other owners fix up their properties. I don’t know what part of this plan he doesn’t understand but if he spent more time listening instead of deciding how to frame his answer speaking out against something he might get further ahead. Mr. Monte has been against practically everything the current council has voted for. He has been riding Paul Esslinger’s coattails from the start of this campaign and it appears he’ll finish it the same way. We don’t need another naysayer on this council. Being opposed to something is not always bad, but always being opposed to things just to be a maverick is never good.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 05:56 PM MDT
Monte said in several forums that the grant money should be given to residential owners to fix up their property not given to investment firms/slumlords to bail them out because they didn't want to fix up the property. Apparently you think we should pay tenant rent differential for 48 months. You want to write a check for my rent while your at it?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:00 PM MDT
Despite Mr. Monte's misinformed remarks on this topic, these are not slumlords who own these properties. It is clear from his remarks and yours that neither of you understands the program or what Community Development Block Grants monies are all about. One more reason he should not be on the council. You don't make sweeping statements about things you don't fully understand. He must not understand that either.
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 06:34 PM MDT
I suggest you look at the city assesor's website for the owner information of those properties. Some of them are owned by invetment firms, NOT individuals. BTW the last city council meeting someone mentioned that the grant money is gone. So what fixing up are you going to propose with no money genious?
Too Many Parks in Oshkosh??
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 03 2006 @ 07:34 PM MDT
Ask Susan Kepplinger. She has all the answers to your questions. They do have a plan and even Paul Esslinger approved it.
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