Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Contributed by: Anonymous
Hello to all, I am sending this e-mail to many different participants for some answers to a City Council meeting back in march when I was on the council.
For all that I list here in this e-mail, I ask for your memory bank and response to what I have to say and ask about the Leach?
Does anyone remember during the meeting to vote for the promoter to be voted on as to the question that I asked about local groups using the Leach, as stated at that time and in the paper also that this is a community park and anyone could use it as long as nothing was booked at that time?
For Pam Ubrig, I ask if you can send me a copy of the minutes of that meeting as the question was answered by the promoters that it is a city park and other groups could use it as long as nothing is scheduled!!
For Connie Caulk, could you provide me with a copy of that meeting when I asked the question? I know it will cost me something, but can I get a copy of that meeting when PMI was appproved by the Council 6-1 vote.
Here is why I 'm asking for this information. As I questioned at that meeting about the Leach being a local park. I raised the question as to the Oshkosh Community Band playing there summer concerts at the new Leach Amphitheater, and the answer was okay as long as nothing is scheduled there, I (PMI) don't see why they wouldn't be able to have them there.
Just this past week there was a Oshkosh Community Band Concert on wednesday night and it was held at the Lourdes High School newly added area. I found out that the OACB was told first that it would cost them $1300.00 to have the concert at the Leach, then it was lowered to $500.00 if they only needed a microphone, and that was final. So they had it at the High School where it was free to them as the Band instructor from Lourdes was in the band and arranged for it to be held there.
What a disgrace to the new Leach Amphitheater as a local park, and NOTHING was scheduled there either. So much for being 1-A PARK, and 2-BEING lOCAL!!
Sincerely,
Brian Poeschl
I wish I had Mr David Leach's e-mail address, so I could let him know of this also!!
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Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:05 AM MDT
Brian, if they needed a sound system, then they need to pay for it. The sound system is part of the amphitheater managed by PMI. Someone needs to be responsible for the equipment.
Had they not required any of the sound system, would they have incurred any charges? I doubt it.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:33 AM MDT
It would be nice if those people who are speaking with such authority would sign their names so we can determine their level of knowledge or not. Anyone could be making these comments so it's important to know when an official is speaking and when they're not. So far Paul Esslinger and Mike Norton from the County Board are the only two who do this.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:08 AM MDT
Speaking with authority? One of the things you will find out is that Ken Wachter from PMI said if you need to use any of the things associated with the amphitheater, such as the sound or lighting system, you will have to pay. This equipment is very expensive, and will require someone from PMI there to supervise its use. Hence, a cost is involved.
This isn't speaking with authority. This is simply informing Mr Poeschl of what was already said at a City Council meeting.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:39 AM MDT
Brian, I have Mr. Leach's email address but don't feel comfortable posting it on here. If you post your email address, I will be more than happy to forward it to you.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:29 AM MDT
Mr. Leach? Does he work for the city or PMI? He has no say in what goes on there.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:45 AM MDT
Ah, he's good enough to take his money for the damn thing but you don't think he has the ability to make a stink if it's not being handled properly as his family intended? Get a clue. People with his kind of wealth, power and opulence are able to pull strings. I should think by now everyone in this city would know that.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 09:40 AM MDT
Pull strings with PMI?
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:06 AM MDT
No silly, he has pull with the city and the city has pull with PMI. They are the ones who signed the contract with them and are the employer. See how that works!
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:59 AM MDT
If people "with money and power" have so much pull you would think the Supple Group be running the Leach.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:43 AM MDT
Mr. Poeschel, you can huff and puff about "the questions that you asked" until you are red in the face, but as memory serves me, your questions addressed only the availability of the space to community groups. This availability has been confirmed by yourself, PMI and the OACB. The question I don't believe (from my recollection) you asked even once in either your initial statement or your post here was, "What will it cost community groups to use the amphitheater?". Have Pam Ubrig and Connie Caulk pull all the transcripts you want, but unless you plan on going back and putting words in your own mouth, your entire post is somewhat moot. I agree with the previous poster- if a group desires to use a shelter in Menominee Park (another city park) they have to PAY for it. If they desire to amplify whatever they are playing, they need a permit and have to PAY for it. They are not supplied sound equipment and professionals to run that equipment, but if they wish to have such a feature they must PAY for it. Why on earth would the Leach be any different?
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 11:04 AM MDT
The rules for public use on the Leach have been stated clearly in past meetings. Considering Brian was on the council when the rules were spelled out it is amazing he did not know them since he did vote on them, I guess that is why he was voted out of office.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: admin on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 04:49 AM MDT
[the following was provided by Richard Wollangk, Oshkosh City Manager via email and we thank him for copying us on his response.]
Hi Brian,
You are right in that when the amphitheater area is not being used for an event that it is open to the public to be used as a park facility. That would be the grass areas and even the stage area if someone wanted to go up there and use it. If however an organization wants to hold an event there and book the amphitheater and use any of the facilities, ie backstage area, sound system, etc., then PMI is responsible for it and also liable for any costs or damage to equipment etc. PMI also has to have a person on sight if any of these items are being used therefore they have a charge.
Hope this is helpful.
Richard
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: admin on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 04:52 AM MDT
[The following was received via email from Oshkosh City Councilor Shirley Brabender Mattox and we thank her for copying us on it.]
Hello Richard,
I understand that there is a charge for insurance, services, equipment and staff time for any type of performance. I believe that the Grand Opera House has a community rate/scale to enable school groups to afford performing there. This might be something that can be worked out with the Leach and PMI. There also might be a fund that would sponsor the basic rate for community groups' performances. There are a number of possible scenarios up for discussion. It is important to discuss this. Is there a group of community organizations that potentially would like to use the Leach? They could form a committee and meet with PMI and work out a system that would work for most groups.
Growing pains now will help develop a workable system for everyone.
Cheers,
Shirley (Brabender Mattox)
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 08:49 AM MDT
I hate to sound pesky about details being discussed yet again, after the FACT. But where the Hell was Shirley Mattox and this line of questioning before the contract was signed?!!!
WAKE UP CITY COUNCIL!!!
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 04 2005 @ 09:54 PM MDT
I guess better late than never, but prior to coming to agreement isn't it important to know what was agreed upon?
I think this is an extremely important topic. How do citizens go about reserving the ampitheater? What are the rates if you just want to reserve it like you reserve a shelter in another park? Where do you find this information out? Where can you find the rates for equipment use by item? What do citizens do to find out this information.
Justin Mitchell
Hello to all, I am sending this e-mail to many different participants for some answers to a City Council meeting back in march when I was on the council.
For all that I list here in this e-mail, I ask for your memory bank and response to what I have to say and ask about the Leach?
Does anyone remember during the meeting to vote for the promoter to be voted on as to the question that I asked about local groups using the Leach, as stated at that time and in the paper also that this is a community park and anyone could use it as long as nothing was booked at that time?
For Pam Ubrig, I ask if you can send me a copy of the minutes of that meeting as the question was answered by the promoters that it is a city park and other groups could use it as long as nothing is scheduled!!
For Connie Caulk, could you provide me with a copy of that meeting when I asked the question? I know it will cost me something, but can I get a copy of that meeting when PMI was appproved by the Council 6-1 vote.
Here is why I 'm asking for this information. As I questioned at that meeting about the Leach being a local park. I raised the question as to the Oshkosh Community Band playing there summer concerts at the new Leach Amphitheater, and the answer was okay as long as nothing is scheduled there, I (PMI) don't see why they wouldn't be able to have them there.
Just this past week there was a Oshkosh Community Band Concert on wednesday night and it was held at the Lourdes High School newly added area. I found out that the OACB was told first that it would cost them $1300.00 to have the concert at the Leach, then it was lowered to $500.00 if they only needed a microphone, and that was final. So they had it at the High School where it was free to them as the Band instructor from Lourdes was in the band and arranged for it to be held there.
What a disgrace to the new Leach Amphitheater as a local park, and NOTHING was scheduled there either. So much for being 1-A PARK, and 2-BEING lOCAL!!
Sincerely,
Brian Poeschl
I wish I had Mr David Leach's e-mail address, so I could let him know of this also!!
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:05 AM MDT
Brian, if they needed a sound system, then they need to pay for it. The sound system is part of the amphitheater managed by PMI. Someone needs to be responsible for the equipment.
Had they not required any of the sound system, would they have incurred any charges? I doubt it.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:33 AM MDT
It would be nice if those people who are speaking with such authority would sign their names so we can determine their level of knowledge or not. Anyone could be making these comments so it's important to know when an official is speaking and when they're not. So far Paul Esslinger and Mike Norton from the County Board are the only two who do this.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:08 AM MDT
Speaking with authority? One of the things you will find out is that Ken Wachter from PMI said if you need to use any of the things associated with the amphitheater, such as the sound or lighting system, you will have to pay. This equipment is very expensive, and will require someone from PMI there to supervise its use. Hence, a cost is involved.
This isn't speaking with authority. This is simply informing Mr Poeschl of what was already said at a City Council meeting.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:39 AM MDT
Brian, I have Mr. Leach's email address but don't feel comfortable posting it on here. If you post your email address, I will be more than happy to forward it to you.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:29 AM MDT
Mr. Leach? Does he work for the city or PMI? He has no say in what goes on there.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 08:45 AM MDT
Ah, he's good enough to take his money for the damn thing but you don't think he has the ability to make a stink if it's not being handled properly as his family intended? Get a clue. People with his kind of wealth, power and opulence are able to pull strings. I should think by now everyone in this city would know that.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 09:40 AM MDT
Pull strings with PMI?
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:06 AM MDT
No silly, he has pull with the city and the city has pull with PMI. They are the ones who signed the contract with them and are the employer. See how that works!
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 10:59 AM MDT
If people "with money and power" have so much pull you would think the Supple Group be running the Leach.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 07:43 AM MDT
Mr. Poeschel, you can huff and puff about "the questions that you asked" until you are red in the face, but as memory serves me, your questions addressed only the availability of the space to community groups. This availability has been confirmed by yourself, PMI and the OACB. The question I don't believe (from my recollection) you asked even once in either your initial statement or your post here was, "What will it cost community groups to use the amphitheater?". Have Pam Ubrig and Connie Caulk pull all the transcripts you want, but unless you plan on going back and putting words in your own mouth, your entire post is somewhat moot. I agree with the previous poster- if a group desires to use a shelter in Menominee Park (another city park) they have to PAY for it. If they desire to amplify whatever they are playing, they need a permit and have to PAY for it. They are not supplied sound equipment and professionals to run that equipment, but if they wish to have such a feature they must PAY for it. Why on earth would the Leach be any different?
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 01 2005 @ 11:04 AM MDT
The rules for public use on the Leach have been stated clearly in past meetings. Considering Brian was on the council when the rules were spelled out it is amazing he did not know them since he did vote on them, I guess that is why he was voted out of office.
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: admin on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 04:49 AM MDT
[the following was provided by Richard Wollangk, Oshkosh City Manager via email and we thank him for copying us on his response.]
Hi Brian,
You are right in that when the amphitheater area is not being used for an event that it is open to the public to be used as a park facility. That would be the grass areas and even the stage area if someone wanted to go up there and use it. If however an organization wants to hold an event there and book the amphitheater and use any of the facilities, ie backstage area, sound system, etc., then PMI is responsible for it and also liable for any costs or damage to equipment etc. PMI also has to have a person on sight if any of these items are being used therefore they have a charge.
Hope this is helpful.
Richard
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: admin on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 04:52 AM MDT
[The following was received via email from Oshkosh City Councilor Shirley Brabender Mattox and we thank her for copying us on it.]
Hello Richard,
I understand that there is a charge for insurance, services, equipment and staff time for any type of performance. I believe that the Grand Opera House has a community rate/scale to enable school groups to afford performing there. This might be something that can be worked out with the Leach and PMI. There also might be a fund that would sponsor the basic rate for community groups' performances. There are a number of possible scenarios up for discussion. It is important to discuss this. Is there a group of community organizations that potentially would like to use the Leach? They could form a committee and meet with PMI and work out a system that would work for most groups.
Growing pains now will help develop a workable system for everyone.
Cheers,
Shirley (Brabender Mattox)
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 08:49 AM MDT
I hate to sound pesky about details being discussed yet again, after the FACT. But where the Hell was Shirley Mattox and this line of questioning before the contract was signed?!!!
WAKE UP CITY COUNCIL!!!
Former councilman says PMI's handling of local citizens wanting to use amphitheater disgraceful!
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 04 2005 @ 09:54 PM MDT
I guess better late than never, but prior to coming to agreement isn't it important to know what was agreed upon?
I think this is an extremely important topic. How do citizens go about reserving the ampitheater? What are the rates if you just want to reserve it like you reserve a shelter in another park? Where do you find this information out? Where can you find the rates for equipment use by item? What do citizens do to find out this information.
Justin Mitchell
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