Middle Ground
Contributed by: Anonymous
I am a lifelong (pretty much) citizen of Oshkosh. However, I don't consider myself stuck in the past - though I do wish that the Fox River mall would have been built in Oshkosh, and that Wittman Field would have been given a bigger role in the area.
I know that the city needs to move forward and I applaud some of the changes that have taken place over the past decade or so. I really hope this continues though I caution the leaders of our city to do things in a measured way and to keep the taxpayers in mind. I think some of the projects that the city looks to dive into have overly optimistic goals and/or projections, and I hope that the leaders take this into account when giving city approval on projects.
I know that there seems to be a lot of "one side or the other" folks on these issues, and I ask you all to remember that there are probably a vast majority of the people who are like me - basically in the middle on this. Please remember us!!
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Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 05 2005 @ 11:37 AM MDT
Does anyone recall when applauding the Miles Kimball Corp for their benevolent gifts to Oshkosh that THEY were the reason the Fox River Mall was not built in Oshkosh.
Yup....turn back the clock to the 1970's and recall that Miles Kimball had recently built the downtown Park Plaza Mall. Developers wanted to build a regional mall west of highway 41 on highway 21. Miles Kimball executives successfully swayed Oshkosh politicians into voting NO for that project.....so the developers took their plans north to Appleton.
And thats the rest of the story......Game over, Appleton wins.
Good Ole Miles Kimball huh?!?
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 05 2005 @ 12:10 PM MDT
That is a very sad story. I don't know if I would like the traffic and congestion, but I sure think things would be a lot different - and hopefully better - for Oshkosh had the mall been built here.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 07 2005 @ 07:23 PM MDT
Just another example of corporate greed. They say that its for the
good of the community, but in reality....just looking out for
themselves and more CORPORATE profit at the average person/
taxpayers expense.
Miles Kimball did this city NO GOOD
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 09:01 AM MDT
Yeah and what about Oshkosh B'Gosh? Another local firm whose management and owners caed in to corporate greed.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 09:59 AM MDT
Well, at least Bgosh and the families that majority owned, provided jobs for all those years and the community is better off because of it....Unfortunately, the saying "all good things come to an end" proved accurate on this.....Anyone is free to open up their own company, put their assets to risk and create jobs.....Rather than just complain that the job creators no longer are providing!
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 10:58 AM MDT
The orginal comment was that because of Miles Kimball and the political pressure placed on City Officals by them...OSHKOSH LOST TONS OF JOBS.
The Fox River Mall was instead built in Appleton and all the jobs connected to it and the associate businesses and stores that sprung up could have been OSHKOSH CITIZENS JOBS.......alias they are not. Appleton wins retail.....game over Oshkosh.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 11:06 AM MDT
YA.....I remember that era. Miles Kimball was the "Big Stick" in Oshkosh. Lets see..they owned WMKC Radio (W "Miles Kimball Co) they owned "The Paper" to compete with the Northwestern and they owned the Park Plaza Mall.
I didn't know that story about loosing the Fox River Mall because of Miles Kimballs Park Plaza ownership.....but it all makes sense now.
What does their radio gingle say..."Miles Kimball, its a nice place to work".....Ya for $6.00 an hour!! Try supporting a family on that!
Thanks for NOTHING Miles Kimball, your screwed up Oshkosh by not allowing the Fox River Mall to be built here.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:09 PM MDT
People don't have to work at Miles Kimball if it is so poor....You are free to start a company and pay double what they pay! Why don't you? Why don't you start a discount chain to compete against Walmart and pay people benefits? Or, are you just going to put down families that have been charitable to the tune of millions because they didn't accumlate wealth based on your beliefs.....You probably have no wealth and are class envious......
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:12 PM MDT
Miles Kimball "screwed up Oshkosh".....Why don't you get together a bunch of investors and open a Mall in town? Rather than just sit back and criticize those that have created a tremendous company and many jobs......
MILES KIMBALL DERAILS OSHKOSH MALL
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:44 PM MDT
No Can Do.....Remember that Fox River Mall was built as a REGIONAL
MALL. Bay Park in Green Bay and Forest Mall in Fond du Lac are
surviving, but they're at the fringe of the drawing area.
The other important issue is that the mall is a catalyst for other
activity. Look at Grand Chute today compared to how it was 25 years
ago.....AMAZING growth. People want to live and work in a vibrant
area. Appleton due to the Mall, IS that area.....Sad to say but
Oshkosh is a second class community in comparison.
History will show that the Miles Kimball roadblock of the REGIONAL
MALL is one of the KEY reasons why Oshkosh looses ground.
At ONE TIME.....Oshkosh was the second largest city in
Wisconsin.....what are we now??
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:49 PM MDT
Experts will tell you that low paying service sector and retail jobs do more harm in many ways than good in a community. Stop badgering people who are having a tough time making ends meet and stop always telling people to start their own company or build their own pool. You are pompous and don't seem to have anything substantial to offer to the discussion.
MILES KIMBALL HINDERS OSHKOSH GROWTH
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:35 PM MDT
Your not listening are you.....The issue is this:
Miles Kimball and the political pressure placed on City Officals by
them...LOST TONS OF JOBS FOR THE CITIZENS OF OSHKOSH!
The Fox River Mall was instead built in Appleton and all the jobs
connected to it and the associate businesses and stores that sprung up
could have been OSHKOSH CITIZENS JOBS.......alias they are not.
Appleton wins retail.....game over Oshkosh.
NOTHING Miles Kimball has done (Civic Auditorium etc) will make up
for how they de-railed the Regional Mall project back in the '70's!
Appletons growing, exciting, profitable, upscale, cutting
edge....Oshkosh is the polar opposite, and it hurts me to say that as I
am a 3rd generation Oshkosh resident.
Get it...Good.
Middle Ground
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 11 2005 @ 06:39 AM MDT
I started this post and didn't mean for it to evolve into a bashing of Miles Kimball. To be honest, like most companies, it seems like they have done some good and some bad. The bottom line on this post is that though there are problems and dumb things done occasionally, or more than occasionally, I consider Oshkosh, to quote a familiar radio jingle "What a great place to live....".
I am a lifelong (pretty much) citizen of Oshkosh. However, I don't consider myself stuck in the past - though I do wish that the Fox River mall would have been built in Oshkosh, and that Wittman Field would have been given a bigger role in the area.
I know that the city needs to move forward and I applaud some of the changes that have taken place over the past decade or so. I really hope this continues though I caution the leaders of our city to do things in a measured way and to keep the taxpayers in mind. I think some of the projects that the city looks to dive into have overly optimistic goals and/or projections, and I hope that the leaders take this into account when giving city approval on projects.
I know that there seems to be a lot of "one side or the other" folks on these issues, and I ask you all to remember that there are probably a vast majority of the people who are like me - basically in the middle on this. Please remember us!!
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 05 2005 @ 11:37 AM MDT
Does anyone recall when applauding the Miles Kimball Corp for their benevolent gifts to Oshkosh that THEY were the reason the Fox River Mall was not built in Oshkosh.
Yup....turn back the clock to the 1970's and recall that Miles Kimball had recently built the downtown Park Plaza Mall. Developers wanted to build a regional mall west of highway 41 on highway 21. Miles Kimball executives successfully swayed Oshkosh politicians into voting NO for that project.....so the developers took their plans north to Appleton.
And thats the rest of the story......Game over, Appleton wins.
Good Ole Miles Kimball huh?!?
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 05 2005 @ 12:10 PM MDT
That is a very sad story. I don't know if I would like the traffic and congestion, but I sure think things would be a lot different - and hopefully better - for Oshkosh had the mall been built here.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 07 2005 @ 07:23 PM MDT
Just another example of corporate greed. They say that its for the
good of the community, but in reality....just looking out for
themselves and more CORPORATE profit at the average person/
taxpayers expense.
Miles Kimball did this city NO GOOD
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 09:01 AM MDT
Yeah and what about Oshkosh B'Gosh? Another local firm whose management and owners caed in to corporate greed.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 09:59 AM MDT
Well, at least Bgosh and the families that majority owned, provided jobs for all those years and the community is better off because of it....Unfortunately, the saying "all good things come to an end" proved accurate on this.....Anyone is free to open up their own company, put their assets to risk and create jobs.....Rather than just complain that the job creators no longer are providing!
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 10:58 AM MDT
The orginal comment was that because of Miles Kimball and the political pressure placed on City Officals by them...OSHKOSH LOST TONS OF JOBS.
The Fox River Mall was instead built in Appleton and all the jobs connected to it and the associate businesses and stores that sprung up could have been OSHKOSH CITIZENS JOBS.......alias they are not. Appleton wins retail.....game over Oshkosh.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 11:06 AM MDT
YA.....I remember that era. Miles Kimball was the "Big Stick" in Oshkosh. Lets see..they owned WMKC Radio (W "Miles Kimball Co) they owned "The Paper" to compete with the Northwestern and they owned the Park Plaza Mall.
I didn't know that story about loosing the Fox River Mall because of Miles Kimballs Park Plaza ownership.....but it all makes sense now.
What does their radio gingle say..."Miles Kimball, its a nice place to work".....Ya for $6.00 an hour!! Try supporting a family on that!
Thanks for NOTHING Miles Kimball, your screwed up Oshkosh by not allowing the Fox River Mall to be built here.
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:09 PM MDT
People don't have to work at Miles Kimball if it is so poor....You are free to start a company and pay double what they pay! Why don't you? Why don't you start a discount chain to compete against Walmart and pay people benefits? Or, are you just going to put down families that have been charitable to the tune of millions because they didn't accumlate wealth based on your beliefs.....You probably have no wealth and are class envious......
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:12 PM MDT
Miles Kimball "screwed up Oshkosh".....Why don't you get together a bunch of investors and open a Mall in town? Rather than just sit back and criticize those that have created a tremendous company and many jobs......
MILES KIMBALL DERAILS OSHKOSH MALL
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:44 PM MDT
No Can Do.....Remember that Fox River Mall was built as a REGIONAL
MALL. Bay Park in Green Bay and Forest Mall in Fond du Lac are
surviving, but they're at the fringe of the drawing area.
The other important issue is that the mall is a catalyst for other
activity. Look at Grand Chute today compared to how it was 25 years
ago.....AMAZING growth. People want to live and work in a vibrant
area. Appleton due to the Mall, IS that area.....Sad to say but
Oshkosh is a second class community in comparison.
History will show that the Miles Kimball roadblock of the REGIONAL
MALL is one of the KEY reasons why Oshkosh looses ground.
At ONE TIME.....Oshkosh was the second largest city in
Wisconsin.....what are we now??
Middle Ground-Miles Kimball
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 01:49 PM MDT
Experts will tell you that low paying service sector and retail jobs do more harm in many ways than good in a community. Stop badgering people who are having a tough time making ends meet and stop always telling people to start their own company or build their own pool. You are pompous and don't seem to have anything substantial to offer to the discussion.
MILES KIMBALL HINDERS OSHKOSH GROWTH
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 08 2005 @ 08:35 PM MDT
Your not listening are you.....The issue is this:
Miles Kimball and the political pressure placed on City Officals by
them...LOST TONS OF JOBS FOR THE CITIZENS OF OSHKOSH!
The Fox River Mall was instead built in Appleton and all the jobs
connected to it and the associate businesses and stores that sprung up
could have been OSHKOSH CITIZENS JOBS.......alias they are not.
Appleton wins retail.....game over Oshkosh.
NOTHING Miles Kimball has done (Civic Auditorium etc) will make up
for how they de-railed the Regional Mall project back in the '70's!
Appletons growing, exciting, profitable, upscale, cutting
edge....Oshkosh is the polar opposite, and it hurts me to say that as I
am a 3rd generation Oshkosh resident.
Get it...Good.
Middle Ground
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 11 2005 @ 06:39 AM MDT
I started this post and didn't mean for it to evolve into a bashing of Miles Kimball. To be honest, like most companies, it seems like they have done some good and some bad. The bottom line on this post is that though there are problems and dumb things done occasionally, or more than occasionally, I consider Oshkosh, to quote a familiar radio jingle "What a great place to live....".
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